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		<title>By: Shippou123</title>
		<link>http://jenny-fa.awardspace.com/archives/34#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Shippou123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll return to your blog and submit my opinion on the book once I read it. Kelly was supposed to get it to me soon: but inevitably, Kelly being Kelly, it might take some time. xD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll return to your blog and submit my opinion on the book once I read it. Kelly was supposed to get it to me soon: but inevitably, Kelly being Kelly, it might take some time. xD</p>
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		<title>By: Deanna (superstealthy)</title>
		<link>http://jenny-fa.awardspace.com/archives/34#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Deanna (superstealthy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you made a very good point about me being lucky. thanks for changing my perspective. and sometimes i make fun of my friend for reading her trashy vampire romance novels. but i think i've read one too...from her collection of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you made a very good point about me being lucky. thanks for changing my perspective. and sometimes i make fun of my friend for reading her trashy vampire romance novels. but i think i&#8217;ve read one too&#8230;from her collection of course.</p>
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		<title>By: S-chan</title>
		<link>http://jenny-fa.awardspace.com/archives/34#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>S-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cmtCount++;

[Unsticks tongue from cheek.]

By definition, this won't be a retort; let's just call it a simple rejoinder, shall we? Anyway, I appreciate your comment about Bella's character development; it makes the reason for your preferences much clearer (rather than, for example, a sadistic urge to see others suffer). So thanks, m'dear.</description>
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<p>[Unsticks tongue from cheek.]</p>
<p>By definition, this won&#8217;t be a retort; let&#8217;s just call it a simple rejoinder, shall we? Anyway, I appreciate your comment about Bella&#8217;s character development; it makes the reason for your preferences much clearer (rather than, for example, a sadistic urge to see others suffer). So thanks, m&#8217;dear.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny-fa</title>
		<link>http://jenny-fa.awardspace.com/archives/34#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny-fa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S-chan... I'm at the media center right now, so I apologize if I can't give a proper reply... my brain is feeling oxygen-deprived.

Anyway,

1) I still agree with everything I've said.
2) Unfortunately, I &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; reside in the "tiny, hermetic bubble" you so poetically described.
3) I will not disagree that Edward and Bella's relationship is infinitely better than that of Romeo and Juliet.
4) I read the "Story Behind Writing New Moon," and many of the things Stephenie Meyer wrote made sense, except I am &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; annoyed with Bella's character. So sorry, but I enjoyed the part about Bella's depression because Edward's absence allowed the author to develop Bella's character more, which is something Stephenie Meyer needs a lot more of.
5) And, I would also appreciate it if you'd save your next retort for my &lt;i&gt;New Moon&lt;/i&gt; review; this thread is becoming a bit too long for my liking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S-chan&#8230; I&#8217;m at the media center right now, so I apologize if I can&#8217;t give a proper reply&#8230; my brain is feeling oxygen-deprived.</p>
<p>Anyway,</p>
<p>1) I still agree with everything I&#8217;ve said.<br />
2) Unfortunately, I <em>do</em> reside in the &#8220;tiny, hermetic bubble&#8221; you so poetically described.<br />
3) I will not disagree that Edward and Bella&#8217;s relationship is infinitely better than that of Romeo and Juliet.<br />
4) I read the &#8220;Story Behind Writing New Moon,&#8221; and many of the things Stephenie Meyer wrote made sense, except I am <em>still</em> annoyed with Bella&#8217;s character. So sorry, but I enjoyed the part about Bella&#8217;s depression because Edward&#8217;s absence allowed the author to develop Bella&#8217;s character more, which is something Stephenie Meyer needs a lot more of.<br />
5) And, I would also appreciate it if you&#8217;d save your next retort for my <i>New Moon</i> review; this thread is becoming a bit too long for my liking.</p>
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		<title>By: S-chan</title>
		<link>http://jenny-fa.awardspace.com/archives/34#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>S-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, my comments were overly caustic. D: Have a &lt;a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Choco_chip_cookie.jpg/300px-Choco_chip_cookie.jpg" rel="nofollow"&gt;cookie&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://neon.chem.uidaho.edu/~acs-sa/pictures/events/mole_day/Big_Mole-2.jpg" rel="nofollow"&gt;mole&lt;/a&gt;, even though Mole Day ended over an hour ago. Ja ne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, my comments were overly caustic. D: Have a <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Choco_chip_cookie.jpg/300px-Choco_chip_cookie.jpg" rel="nofollow">cookie</a> and <a href="http://neon.chem.uidaho.edu/~acs-sa/pictures/events/mole_day/Big_Mole-2.jpg" rel="nofollow">mole</a>, even though Mole Day ended over an hour ago. Ja ne.</p>
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		<title>By: S-chan</title>
		<link>http://jenny-fa.awardspace.com/archives/34#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>S-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you can only relate to Bella when she's devastated, or at least Edward-less and unhappy? You're irked by only Bella's "annoying inability to function without Edward" when Edward exhibited the same symptoms after he left her in Forks? And you think Bella was being selfish when she disregarded her own life to prevent Edward's unnecessary death? &lt;em&gt;Selfish?&lt;/em&gt;

If you "&lt;strong&gt;seriously&lt;/strong&gt; cannot relate to anyone who &lt;strong&gt;even remotely&lt;/strong&gt; resembles [your] idea of an average American" (sans emphasis), you must be residing bitterly in a tiny, hermetic bubble, which I know isn't completely true. I can imagine you hissing out that phrase through bared teeth, but exactly how much truth exists behind those unusually strong words is unknown to me.

On another note, please be reminded that Romeo is infinitely more impetuous, fickle, and doltish than Edward. I personally don't think the love portrayed in Meyer's series can compare to &lt;em&gt;Romeo and Juliet&lt;/em&gt;. Meyer certainly references the play in &lt;em&gt;New Moon&lt;/em&gt;, but &lt;code&gt;Edward + Bella &#62; Romeo + Juliet&lt;/code&gt; in terms of the relationship's complexity and profoundness. As for the reason behind their seemingly unlikely relationship (which is entirely mutual, by the way), keep in mind that this is anything but some brief, superficial high school attraction; therefore, your "wimpy human" remark should answer itself.

Oh, and see &lt;a href="http://stepheniemeyer.com/nm_thestory.html" title="The Story Behind Writing New Moon" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; for an interesting read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you can only relate to Bella when she&#8217;s devastated, or at least Edward-less and unhappy? You&#8217;re irked by only Bella&#8217;s &#8220;annoying inability to function without Edward&#8221; when Edward exhibited the same symptoms after he left her in Forks? And you think Bella was being selfish when she disregarded her own life to prevent Edward&#8217;s unnecessary death? <em>Selfish?</em></p>
<p>If you &#8220;<strong>seriously</strong> cannot relate to anyone who <strong>even remotely</strong> resembles [your] idea of an average American&#8221; (sans emphasis), you must be residing bitterly in a tiny, hermetic bubble, which I know isn&#8217;t completely true. I can imagine you hissing out that phrase through bared teeth, but exactly how much truth exists behind those unusually strong words is unknown to me.</p>
<p>On another note, please be reminded that Romeo is infinitely more impetuous, fickle, and doltish than Edward. I personally don&#8217;t think the love portrayed in Meyer&#8217;s series can compare to <em>Romeo and Juliet</em>. Meyer certainly references the play in <em>New Moon</em>, but <code>Edward + Bella &gt; Romeo + Juliet</code> in terms of the relationship&#8217;s complexity and profoundness. As for the reason behind their seemingly unlikely relationship (which is entirely mutual, by the way), keep in mind that this is anything but some brief, superficial high school attraction; therefore, your &#8220;wimpy human&#8221; remark should answer itself.</p>
<p>Oh, and see <a href="http://stepheniemeyer.com/nm_thestory.html" title="The Story Behind Writing New Moon" rel="nofollow">this</a> for an interesting read.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny-fa</title>
		<link>http://jenny-fa.awardspace.com/archives/34#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny-fa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 02:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, S-chan, &lt;em&gt;for your information&lt;/em&gt;, I &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; I'm beginning to respect Bella now. Since I've just finished reading &lt;i&gt;New Moon&lt;/i&gt;, I've found I was able to relate to and sympathize with her more during her depression (but, funnily enough, that feeling eventually evaporated after Bella and Edward's reunion...) At any rate, I still dislike her, but I respect her more. Does that make sense?

I know Bella doesn't exactly embody the "average American teenager," but she's a little too close for comfort, and I seriously cannot relate to anyone who even remotely resembles my idea of an average American. I also hated her "clinginess" and her annoying inability to function without Edward. Some of her "morality" may be genuine, but I think most of it stems from her infatuation with Edward and her own selfish desires to keep him alive. But, as I previously stated, this is probably &lt;em&gt;my fault&lt;/em&gt; and I do acknowledge that I probably need some help in the psychology department.

And, lastly, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I've found that I'm also beginning to dislike Edward. I still cannot understand why he would fall for a mortal, wimpy human such as Bella, and his excruciating, unrealistic perfection has become less and less appealing to me. I &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; tell you that I only like some kinds of romance, and those include pure, chaste love and unrequited love. And sometimes tragedy. &lt;em&gt;Only&lt;/em&gt; if it doesn't possess the sickly qualities of &lt;i&gt;Romeo and Juliet&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, S-chan, <em>for your information</em>, I <em>think</em> I&#8217;m beginning to respect Bella now. Since I&#8217;ve just finished reading <i>New Moon</i>, I&#8217;ve found I was able to relate to and sympathize with her more during her depression (but, funnily enough, that feeling eventually evaporated after Bella and Edward&#8217;s reunion&#8230;) At any rate, I still dislike her, but I respect her more. Does that make sense?</p>
<p>I know Bella doesn&#8217;t exactly embody the &#8220;average American teenager,&#8221; but she&#8217;s a little too close for comfort, and I seriously cannot relate to anyone who even remotely resembles my idea of an average American. I also hated her &#8220;clinginess&#8221; and her annoying inability to function without Edward. Some of her &#8220;morality&#8221; may be genuine, but I think most of it stems from her infatuation with Edward and her own selfish desires to keep him alive. But, as I previously stated, this is probably <em>my fault</em> and I do acknowledge that I probably need some help in the psychology department.</p>
<p>And, lastly, I&#8217;m sorry to disappoint you, but I&#8217;ve found that I&#8217;m also beginning to dislike Edward. I still cannot understand why he would fall for a mortal, wimpy human such as Bella, and his excruciating, unrealistic perfection has become less and less appealing to me. I <em>did</em> tell you that I only like some kinds of romance, and those include pure, chaste love and unrequited love. And sometimes tragedy. <em>Only</em> if it doesn&#8217;t possess the sickly qualities of <i>Romeo and Juliet</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: S-chan</title>
		<link>http://jenny-fa.awardspace.com/archives/34#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>S-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, as an addendum, in regards to your disliking Bella:

She didn't think twice about sacrificing her own life in place of someone else's when she ran into that nasty encounter with James. And she even volunteered to leave home to live in a place she had then considered less than ideal in order to give her mother quality time with Bella's stepdad (which is what led her to Forks in the first place, by the way, so she wasn't just "lucky").

It's painfully obvious that Bella is a kind, selfless person of high moral caliber who's incongruous with the "average, American teenager" image you accuse her of exemplifying. So other than the obvious (your selective misanthropy), what exactly do you hold against &lt;em&gt;Twilight&lt;/em&gt;'s protagonist (as in her actions or character, not your personal preferences)?

Of course, it's not as if Bella's flawless... just for the record... before you start disliking me as much as you loathe her. &#62;_&#62; If you still hold some odd grudge against her, just think of how happy she makes Edward&#8212; the happiest he's been in about a century, in fact&#8212; and I &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; you like Edward! (He thoroughly reciprocates her feelings too, but he's obviously not as, erm, clingy.) Or, more simply, reread the preface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, as an addendum, in regards to your disliking Bella:</p>
<p>She didn&#8217;t think twice about sacrificing her own life in place of someone else&#8217;s when she ran into that nasty encounter with James. And she even volunteered to leave home to live in a place she had then considered less than ideal in order to give her mother quality time with Bella&#8217;s stepdad (which is what led her to Forks in the first place, by the way, so she wasn&#8217;t just &#8220;lucky&#8221;).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s painfully obvious that Bella is a kind, selfless person of high moral caliber who&#8217;s incongruous with the &#8220;average, American teenager&#8221; image you accuse her of exemplifying. So other than the obvious (your selective misanthropy), what exactly do you hold against <em>Twilight</em>&#8217;s protagonist (as in her actions or character, not your personal preferences)?</p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s not as if Bella&#8217;s flawless&#8230; just for the record&#8230; before you start disliking me as much as you loathe her. &gt;_&gt; If you still hold some odd grudge against her, just think of how happy she makes Edward&mdash; the happiest he&#8217;s been in about a century, in fact&mdash; and I <em>know</em> you like Edward! (He thoroughly reciprocates her feelings too, but he&#8217;s obviously not as, erm, clingy.) Or, more simply, reread the preface.</p>
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		<title>By: S-chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>S-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dearest Jen, why do you think I vehemently warned you about the book's abundant sensuality beforehand? Knowing you, you mainly wanted to read &lt;em&gt;Twilight&lt;/em&gt; because of the vampires, hoping or expecting that romance would remain in the sidelines.

According to Edward himself, Bella is anything &lt;em&gt;but&lt;/em&gt; average. She's the one exception to his mind-reading talent, and the same holds true for other vampires in the sequel &lt;em&gt;New Moon&lt;/em&gt;. Her mind somehow works differently and is quite unique, but we'll have to find out more about this later in the series.

Pssh. And since when did you favor the standards of stereotypical, generic, trite, conforming (supposedly the opposite of what you are) &lt;em&gt;Hollywood&lt;/em&gt; movies over an author's successful debut? For [insert name of deity or profanity here]'s sake, did you expect vampires to have evolved looking drastically different from regular humans, the prey they're actually supposed to attract? Meyer explained that she was a wimpy "vampire" story writer; she went along with whatever made sense, and if you were a vampire, wouldn't it be more logical to have evolved in a way as to &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; alarm your prey with sharp fangs, especially if you mingle with them? Yes?

(You haven't incurred my wrath, really. You're entitled to your opinions, and I... respect that.)

So when's the &lt;em&gt;New Moon&lt;/em&gt; book review/rant coming? :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dearest Jen, why do you think I vehemently warned you about the book&#8217;s abundant sensuality beforehand? Knowing you, you mainly wanted to read <em>Twilight</em> because of the vampires, hoping or expecting that romance would remain in the sidelines.</p>
<p>According to Edward himself, Bella is anything <em>but</em> average. She&#8217;s the one exception to his mind-reading talent, and the same holds true for other vampires in the sequel <em>New Moon</em>. Her mind somehow works differently and is quite unique, but we&#8217;ll have to find out more about this later in the series.</p>
<p>Pssh. And since when did you favor the standards of stereotypical, generic, trite, conforming (supposedly the opposite of what you are) <em>Hollywood</em> movies over an author&#8217;s successful debut? For [insert name of deity or profanity here]&#8217;s sake, did you expect vampires to have evolved looking drastically different from regular humans, the prey they&#8217;re actually supposed to attract? Meyer explained that she was a wimpy &#8220;vampire&#8221; story writer; she went along with whatever made sense, and if you were a vampire, wouldn&#8217;t it be more logical to have evolved in a way as to <em>not</em> alarm your prey with sharp fangs, especially if you mingle with them? Yes?</p>
<p>(You haven&#8217;t incurred my wrath, really. You&#8217;re entitled to your opinions, and I&#8230; respect that.)</p>
<p>So when&#8217;s the <em>New Moon</em> book review/rant coming? :P</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been wanting to read that book for awhile now. No, no, don't stop reviewing; I for one like to read about a book before actually reading it and reviews serve that purpose awesomely. XD

She keeps on saying "don't leave me"? Sounds kinda like the catch line in a bunch of shojo manga scenes. o_O But  then again, I've been suspicious for a while now that American media has been raided by Japanese anime/manga influence. 

A movie? Wow, now I just have to read the book so I can go see the movie. XP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been wanting to read that book for awhile now. No, no, don&#8217;t stop reviewing; I for one like to read about a book before actually reading it and reviews serve that purpose awesomely. XD</p>
<p>She keeps on saying &#8220;don&#8217;t leave me&#8221;? Sounds kinda like the catch line in a bunch of shojo manga scenes. o_O But  then again, I&#8217;ve been suspicious for a while now that American media has been raided by Japanese anime/manga influence. </p>
<p>A movie? Wow, now I just have to read the book so I can go see the movie. XP</p>
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